tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post115773619914197993..comments2024-03-27T15:47:17.599+04:00Comments on UAE Community Blog: "Righteous" Believer vs. the "Wicked" Jewsecretdubaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13115610824191031176noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1158761086797580492006-09-20T18:04:00.000+04:002006-09-20T18:04:00.000+04:00Yes, well and good. But they don't teach us this i...Yes, well and good. But they don't teach us this in Islamic Studies class in school, which follows the textbook endorsed by the Ministry of Education. I'm discovering that more and more people here think of Jews has the people out to conquer the world or as wicked people when the majority of them are just regular people like you and me.Kiwi Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09600153863798780606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157895138695672112006-09-10T17:32:00.000+04:002006-09-10T17:32:00.000+04:00I will be as inconsiderate and disrespectful towar...<I>I will be as inconsiderate and disrespectful towards any belief system I choose, including religious ones. If you don't like it, tough.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh I don't have a problem with your views. I have a problem with the way you express them. Oh well, feels like beating a dead horse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157879072735843622006-09-10T13:04:00.000+04:002006-09-10T13:04:00.000+04:00I find your behavior to be rather childish and irr...<EM>I find your behavior to be rather childish and irresponsible.<BR/><BR/>The general feeling I have when I read this is, if I see anywhere in public, I will want to punch you straight in the face.</EM><BR/><BR/>Am I the only one to see the irony in those two sentences running concurrently?<BR/><BR/><EM>Stick to the issue and don't get other issues into a subject that has been beaten to death by this very blog's comment pages.</EM><BR/><BR/>And since when have you been the arbitrator of what gets discussed on this blog, Rocky? If you want the prestige of being a moderator, get your own blog.<BR/><BR/><EM>Quit being a stupid little child and grow up already.</EM><BR/><BR/>Ha! Says the chap who want to start punching people in public when they start to talk about issues which you don't want discussed! <BR/><BR/><EM>Being a 'heathen' doesn't mean you have to be inconsiderate and disrespectful. </EM><BR/><BR/>I will be as inconsiderate and disrespectful towards any belief system I choose, including religious ones. If you don't like it, tough.Tim Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12037178111868843708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157863533461836062006-09-10T08:45:00.000+04:002006-09-10T08:45:00.000+04:00Considering the fact that I obviously (at least my...Considering the fact that I obviously (at least my name should give that away) don't believe in divinity, I find your behavior to be rather childish and irresponsible.<BR/><BR/>The general feeling I have when I read this is, if I see anywhere in public, I will want to punch you straight in the face.<BR/><BR/>This is how I feel. Now, imagine how a believer would feel? You want to debate, fine. Stick to the issue and don't get other issues into a subject that has been beaten to death by this very blog's comment pages.<BR/><BR/>Quit being a stupid little child and grow up already. Being a 'heathen' doesn't mean you have to be inconsiderate and disrespectful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157840862831183102006-09-10T02:27:00.000+04:002006-09-10T02:27:00.000+04:00i must say the questions regarding the translation...i must say the questions regarding the translations ring familiar to me..<BR/><BR/>i always have people translating the torah (what many refer to as the old testament) to me in english and asking me to defend interpretations that they subscribe to in the highly accurate and surgical language that english is..<BR/><BR/>given that it is written in hebrew - my take is that it is not necessarily designed to impart a single meaning but rather a cluster of concepts that are interlnked.. there for us to consider.. question.. query and ponder and for us to reach what we perceive to be as morally sound decisions when tested through time.. i think rigid interpretations of fluid languages (as the semitic ones are) is overly ambitious..<BR/><BR/>nevertheless i think the important element here is not to debate what the most acceptable interpretation is but rather the mere fact that the script offers scope for peace and cross cultural solidarity..<BR/><BR/>what is then made of it is a matter of personal choice..<BR/><BR/>just the view of an "evil" jew ;)<BR/><BR/>peace to you all..<BR/><BR/>lirun<BR/>telaviv<BR/><A>www.emspeace.blogspot.com</A>Lirunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165940866092660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157834238615561732006-09-10T00:37:00.000+04:002006-09-10T00:37:00.000+04:00I'm a heathen farm boy from Wales, I'll never be c...I'm a heathen farm boy from Wales, I'll never be civilised. A bit like those who consider the murder or Jews or beating of women as a legal matter dependent on a translation. What would be really civilised if this kind of stuff was no longer a subject for debate.Tim Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12037178111868843708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157827698562171182006-09-09T22:48:00.000+04:002006-09-09T22:48:00.000+04:00tim,I wish you would be more civilized for once in...tim,<BR/><BR/>I wish you would be more civilized for once in your obviously empty life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157817064636342362006-09-09T19:51:00.000+04:002006-09-09T19:51:00.000+04:00No you are not allowed.Thanks for the post DG.No you are not allowed.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post DG.Absologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11968380779497811479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157806575080755672006-09-09T16:56:00.000+04:002006-09-09T16:56:00.000+04:00So are we allowed to give our wives a sound thrash...So are we allowed to give our wives a sound thrashing or not?Tim Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12037178111868843708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157799087379773152006-09-09T14:51:00.000+04:002006-09-09T14:51:00.000+04:00DG - Three points:First , translation; What is you...DG - Three points:<BR/>First , translation; What is your source of translation? Even if this is your own, you should mention that. Quran translation is not a simple matter. The following quoted passage for example lists three well-known translators and their varying translations of the same verse you mentioned: <BR/><BR/><I>“004.105 <BR/><B>YUSUFALI</B>: We have sent down to thee the Book in truth, that thou mightest judge between men, as guided by Allah: so be not (used) as an advocate by those who betray their trust; <BR/><B>PICKTHAL</B>: Lo! We reveal unto thee the Scripture with the truth, that thou mayst judge between mankind by that which Allah showeth thee. And be not thou a pleader for the treacherous; <BR/><B>SHAKIR</B>: Surely We have revealed the Book to you with the truth that you may judge between people by means of that which Allah has taught you; and be not an advocate on behalf of the treacherous.”</I> Source is<BR/><A HREF="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Two, Explanation (or exegesis; <I>tafseer</I> in Arabic); again this is a very complicated and often inconclusive matter. In the Tabari’s exegesis (one of the most authoritative) there is no clear consensus on the exact story behind the verse in question. In one <A HREF="http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=1&tSoraNo=4&tAyahNo=105&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0" REL="nofollow">online source</A> Tabari presents different versions of what happened. Muhamamd bin Saa’d’s narrative (p. 4) makes it seem as if Tu’mah is the wrongly accused and there is no mention of any Jews. Another narrative, Muhammad bin Al-Husayn’s (p.5) says that that the armor was given by a Jewish man to Tu’mah for safekeeping and then eventually was thrown into the house of another Muslim man form Ansar who then became the subject of wrong accusation. And Tabari is only one of many exegetes whose explanations of this verse could have other differences. <BR/><BR/>Finally, as <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nisa" REL="nofollow">this wikipedia article</A> points out, it’s interesting to note that the chapter from which this verse comes (<I>Surat Al-Nisaa</I>, or Chapter on Women) is among the most interesting (and controversial) of the Quran.bandicoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01923515594882283854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157781490465936802006-09-09T09:58:00.000+04:002006-09-09T09:58:00.000+04:00;);)Lirunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165940866092660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157779084669432082006-09-09T09:18:00.000+04:002006-09-09T09:18:00.000+04:00"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews ..."Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve "<BR/><BR/>Another thought-provoking quote from the Quran.Ahsan Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292662384634151668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15456688.post-1157744066544840632006-09-08T23:34:00.000+04:002006-09-08T23:34:00.000+04:00I'm sure there's a very good point in here but I s...I'm sure there's a very good point in here but I suspect it's lost in translation. 'Do not dispute...' is supposed to mean what exactly?Keefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04820411415545249138noreply@blogger.com