18 December, 2006

If we did it, this is how we would have done it

With apologies to the president of Iran, OJ Simpson and Jon Stewart.

CBS News 60 Minutes:
As correspondent Scott Pelley reports, the documents were taken to a town in the middle of Germany, called Bad Arolsen, where they were sorted, filed and locked way, never to be seen by the public until now.

The storerooms are immense: 16 miles of shelves holding the stories of 17 million victims – not only Jews, but slave laborers, political prisoners and homosexuals.
The story is in the next episode of 60 Minutes which is available on cable in the UAE.

In the meantime, places like FrontPage continue to harp - way out of proportion to the truth about the UAE - on the story of Harvard and the UAE.

17 comments:

blogrosh said...

John - this is nothing new. The editor (from his last name) I believe is Jewish. This is what the Media in the US often plays up, when Israel or Jews are put on the spot. They will pluck into Jimmy Carter's book and discredit it as much as possible. However do not take all Americans to be ignorant of all facts. I believe most of them are aware of what goes on in the country.

It is no secret US Media and other financial institutions are Jewish controlled. Neither is the fact AIPAC "educates" most American congressmen elected to power.

The question perhaps is, would the Arabs & Muslims learn to play this game better?

Anonymous said...

blogrosh wears a tinfoil hat ?

shaikh sultan said...

what is AIPAC?

Anonny Mouse said...

"....It is no secret US Media and other financial institutions are Jewish controlled..."

Wow! World domination from dark, secret hideouts...what brand of remotes do they use...?

Brn said...

Blogrosh,

First, you don't have to tell John, he is an American and I'm sure that he has a pretty good idea of what Americans know and don't know.

Second, please don't start that same old tired "Jews control the media" story. The American media is wildly diverse, and the idea that it can be controlled is ridiculous. Beside, everyone knows that it is the Pentavarit that controls everything.

Shaikh Sultan,

AIPAC is a pro-Israel lobbying group in the US. It can be a controversial group, and many people feel that they either have too much influence or outright control of government policy, though others disagree.

blogrosh said...

"please don't start that same old tired "Jews control the media" story"

Same or old or plain old tired - it's true. You can accept it or continue to stick your head in the sand. I am not implying the control leads to ONLY pro-Israel views, however it sure seems that way.

ps: am aware JBC is American, neither do I dislike Jews. I have friends and mentors who are Jewish. I am merely implying facts, most people living in America are aware of - period.

Anonymous said...

JEWS CONTROL THE WEATHER!

Tim Newman said...

Same or old or plain old tired - it's true.

No, it's not. It is nonsense. Evidence of this can be seen in the fact that American Jews almost unanimously vote Democrat, yet with the exception of Bill Clinton have failed to secure a Democratic presidency for a couple of decades. Were Jews conrolling American media and financial institutions, it would surely not be beyond their wit to ensure that their preferred presidential candidate gets the necessary campaign funds and media coverage to defeat his Republican oppenent.

The extent to which the Jews control the US media is limited to the extent that the Jews' message is so much more palatable for the American public, and indeed liberal democrats worldwide, than the message being peddled by the Arab world.

Given that most Americans can recognise in Israeli society what they value most in their own: a functioning democracy, independent judiciary, equal rights for women, etc., yet the message from the Arabs seems to be a constant wail of "Death to America" or variations therefof backed by theocratic dictatorships, it is of little surprise that the Jewish influence in the USA is so overwhelming in comaprison to that of the Arabs that it causes the latter to invent extravagant conspiracy theories to explain it away. After all, it is a lot less painful than identifying the real reasons and implementing the remedy.

Anonymous said...

Tim Newman expect the .ae CID SWAT to kick your door down, because you stated the obvious. They don't like it when people rub the truth in their face :D

Tim Newman said...

Heh! I'd dearly like to see the UAE police try booting down my door, it being quarter-inch thick steel, there being two of them, and it being located on the 8th floor of a rough-looking apartment building in the rought-looking town of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Sakhalin Island, Russia.

blogrosh said...

"No, it's not. It is nonsense. Evidence of this can be seen in the fact that American Jews almost unanimously vote Democrat, yet with the exception of Bill Clinton have failed to secure a Democratic presidency for a couple of decades"

Jewish population represents 2-3% maybe 5% of the voters, so perhaps which is why besides B Clinton, no one's been elected so far? As for the Democratic Party - I sure got an eye and earful from Hillary and her Jewish "Democratic" supporters when the DPC saga happened in Q1. It was quite a spectacle - Chuck Schumer went ballistic and had all sorts of absolute "nonsense", come out of him to block the deal. He used the same old' rhetoric as FrontPage. Hillary to this day, shivers in her pants when talking about Israel - just don't want to say anything which might brand her anti-semitic. Howard Dean was hushed away and "educated" the last time he spoke on Israel etc etc etc.

Not sure why you've got to be all defensive & in denial about it Tim? Anyhow as for your comparisons on Arab messages and Israel - perhaps most of it is true. I never denied that, my point - the Jewish community controls the media (and a large chunk of finance) in America. You don't need a "quarter-inch thick steel" wall/door to see that truth/fact.

Tim Newman said...

Jewish population represents 2-3% maybe 5% of the voters, so perhaps which is why besides B Clinton, no one's been elected so far?

So this tiny percentage of Jews which make up America's population is so powerful that they control all the media, financial institutions, congressmen, and US foreign policy, yet are unable to get their choice of president elected due to their small number? The contradiction itself should be enought to reveal the flaw in this theory.

Not sure why you've got to be all defensive & in denial about it Tim?

Because you are peddling the same lies about shadowy Jewish groups controlling the media and financial institutions against the interests of ordinary citizens which have been the justification for antisemetic behaviour for well over a century.

my point - the Jewish community controls the media (and a large chunk of finance) in America

If you are so sure, please list the names of the main Jewish individuals who control the US media and financial institutions. You can start by showing how Ted Turner is Jewish.

Brn said...

Blogrosh,

OK, I asked you politely not to make slurs on my country, but you instead insist the you know more about it than I do, despite the fact that I am a native citizen who lived that for nearly 40 year. (As an aside, I can't help but wonder what you would say to me if I were to lecture a 40 year old Emirati on the "facts" of his country.) I accept your challenge.

You stated, "It is no secret US media and other financial institutions are Jewish controlled." Please present the evidence of this non-secret. A list of several dozen reporters or editors is not evidence of control. Exactly how is the control exercised? What are the exact mechanisms? Who are the exact list of people exercising this control. Surely not every Jew in America is in on this, so just tell me the ones that are.

If you find yourself unable to do this, then perhaps you might in the future refrain from insulting my country and culture, as we expats are so frequently lectured (and often rightly) not to do.

blogrosh said...

"I asked you politely not to make slurs on my country"

Slurs? Not sure where that came from? If I have, it was not my intent - hence sincere apologies.

"but you instead insist the you know more about it than I do"

Ofcourse not, don't be silly. For the record, I have a lot of respect for the US. I have lived there close to 6 years and I think, despite its flaws on foreign policy, US stands head & shoulders above the rest when it comes to good for mankind. Anyhow, that's a discussion for another day.

Back to this topic - I am not going to list names here, however I shall say this, I am in the Media business/industry, all three - Broadcast, Print and to a lesser extent Interactive. The exposures one has whilst dealing with Media contracts, the legal jargon, the politics, the sensitivities and the "logic" or "reasons" which support such reason or Media laws - is where I draw my conclusions from.

Just for the record, it's a known fact, Hollywood is a "Jewish" town. One of the Senior producers (who is Jewish) in my group and his non Jewish friends (me included) had several debates on Mel G, when Mel went on a drunker slur 6 months ago. The Media went ballistic with Rabbis and Senior network producers, offering advices and taking shots at Mel G -and his future in the Jewish town –Hollywood.

The financial engines of America - NYC is mostly Jewish controlled, you just have to live there to know who owns Manhattan - from real estate perspective to most of the powerful financial institutions. Likewise in Chicago and to a lesser extent LA?

I have met several, native American citizens, like you in America, who've lived there who are fully aware of the above. Infact the first time I heard this “theory”, was from a native American, like you – who has been in the Media business for 3 decades. Hence it surprises me (and now am more curious) why you think this is some sort of a "slur" towards America and Americans?

Brn said...

Blogrosh,

Respectfully, if I have to tell you that telling lies about a country is wrong, then this conversation is probably pointless. I asked for some proof of your statement, something that should be pretty simple if it is no secret. Some conversations you had with other Americans doesn't seem like proof to me. If you want, I can find you Americans who believe that aliens control the government. But like the Americans you talked to, they have no proof either.

I do not deny that Jews have a lot of influence in the media, but that is a far different than control. Especially since the American media is so diverse that imagining that it could be controlled is self-discrediting.

blogrosh said...

"Respectfully, if I have to tell you that telling lies about a country is wrong, then this conversation is probably pointless"

Likewise - you have your views Brn, I have mine. I do not have to lie about something which is common knowledge, especially for folks who move around in the US Media world. If I may, perhaps you could or should dig a bit more than taking it at face value re: diversity of American Media. You refer to influence (to me this is equal to indirect control) or outright control.

"Some conversations you had with other Americans doesn't seem like proof to me"

Respectfully - you are amongst the average hardworking Americans too. However, amongst several others I have worked with and learnt the ropes from, my mentor (who is jewish) has been in the Broadcast Media business for nearly 3 decades, most of it in NYC. He is not some "aliens control the government" believer, but a seasoned/succesful and respected individual.

I've said, I shall not list names, however I've given you instances of Hollywood and NYC.

blogrosh said...

Brn, also wish to add, my first comment was not meant to read like a frustrated conspiracy theory. I did say, "would the Arabs & Muslims learn to play this game better?"

A primary example is the number of editorials I have read relating to the Israeli/Palestinian issues in NY Times & WSJ or the Washington Post.

Also the Lebanon war coverage from FOX, CNN, CNBC, NBC etc all was pure pro-Israel. For every mishap/civilian causality, an American Jewish politician or an Israeli politician was brought forward as an "analyst" to extend his/her opinions on the issue.

Likewise with the DP world event. I was amongst the spectators, when Hillary (surrounded by Chuck Schumer and his "community") were spewing out lies about the UAE and DP world (whilst her husband was on BBC saying how Dubai and the UAE is a prime example of progressive young Arab nations?)

For me, none of the above was "balanced".

Sources of clean and balance media outlet in the US could be CSPAN and to an extent PBS. I am a regular caller and viewer to CSPAN & PBS debates, and am proud to have the opportunity for such debates with Americans.

Lastly, if I have offended you, then I am truly sorry. I have developed personal views based on career exposure whilst working in one of the true global media cities and via experiences with US Media outlets. I have a right to form them and express them – am doing so via this blog, that’s all. Alternatively, I hear your views and respect them.

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