According to this very disturbing article in 7Days, students at an institute in Knowledge Village have been suspended for blogging:
"A second year Chemical Engineering student has been suspended for posting the blog, while two others are being punished for posting responses, other students said. Several of them, who did not want to reveal their names for fear of being reprimanded, said the student community considered the punishment too harsh and undeserving. The blog in question http://blazefanthom.blogspot.com describes a student’s frustration at campus life."
The institute, Birla Institute of Technology and Science, has issued a "notice put out to all students asking them to keep away from blogging, especially when it concerns any of their family members, institution, this country and faculty."
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08 September, 2006
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Reminds me of my high school here, we're not allowed to make anything or something that'll voice out our opinions - i dunno, but if somebody in my school faculty & admins see my blog i think they're going to ask me to shut it down. :S
we're educated here to shut up, that's just about it.
Fair enough - from the parts I read, I agree that there was unwise content on there.
My gripe, however, is to try and tar blogging with some sort of overall brush. The platform is irrelevant: blogs are not bad per se.
What the college should be doing is educating students, not suspending them. And it should not be trying to demonise blogging as a phenemenon.
I disagree with you DG, students should not be harshely punished for using fool language. I don't know from which planet those teachers are coming but on planet earth students hate schools, some student more than others, some express it better than other and some are quite artistic about it, this is called teen age melancholia. It's normal and we have to embrace it. The kid has a real talent discribing his inner state and melancholia. student should be guided when caught expressing their discomfort not expelled!! Besides, what's the story with asking kids to refrain from blogging? horrendous
Its well within his rights to post his views in his blog...a blog is essentially a web diary! The person has not advertised his blog in any way, hence it does not count as defamation. As a supporter of free speech and being a libertarian myself, i think the institute is at fault.
Any "open" system has its liberties as well as flaws! I read the blogpost, and felt really disturbed! Not because of the kind of foul language used in the blog, but by the sheer arrogance displayed by the student, and that too openly!!
As a blogger the first thing one does is to hide idendity - ESP. IF HE INTENDS TO HAVE ATTACKING CONTENT. Obviously, the author was either not aware, or most like was too arrogant or perhaps immature to take this into consideration!
On the college's part, they have perhaps also not reacted professionally - blogging was not the culprit - attitude of the student was!
It's ridiculous to ban blogging and to ask students to stay away from it. Blogs are just a personal web space; what's wrong in expression?
The student could have changed names or been a little more discreet about who he writes. After all, as a teacher (or anybody else for that matter), it is humiliating to read what the student wrote.
Having said that, the students need to be educated because this is only going to assign a negative connotation to blogging. Now all students are going to run to blogs, to whine and bitch. There's so much more to blogging than that.
The article has no comment or explanation from the administration of the school, which is a pity.
It says The only available comment was through the notice put out to all students asking them to keep away from blogging..."
The article is saying that the students were suspended for blogging, and if it's true that's a real concern. Suspended not for the content, but for blogging.
If it's for bringing the college into disrepute by using foul language, personal attacks or whatever, that's a different thing altogether.
I'd like to hear from the administrators.
The facts itself are wrong out here coz this blog is not the only one in question and the other 2 students haven't been definitely suspended for responding to the post.They themselves had blogs about the institute of similar nature and hence have been suspended.What is also wrong is that the matter has been brought out in public which is ruining both the institute and the students reputations.
Never ever write anything on a blog about a person that you would not say to that person's face. What this student wrote was disrespectful and quite possibly slanderous.
The school's reaction in suspending him and warning other students to 'stay away from blogging' was too severe. They should have pointed out to the student that what he wrote was defamatory, and explained about libel laws to him. After which he should have apologised to all concerned and modified or deleted the offensive remarks in his blog.
Anybody who thinks that a blog is similar to a private diary and somehow exempt from laws about publications is being extremely naive. A blog is a publication, in the same way that the New York Times is a publication. If it is accessible by the public on the Internet, then the same laws apply.
People who are trying to crucify Pranav have no basic idea of what democracy and equal rights are all about. I pity such hapless souls who like to have some sort of a static system - where everything is institutionalised. The problem with all institutions is that they become stale, lifeless --- they develop cancer and degenerate quickly.
What sort of a lecturer it is who conducts his classroom like a military dictator. This is a chemical engineering classroom, not some military barrack. In another few years, we need people like Pranav contributing to the human society, especially to the big corporate entities who will one day employ him.
The boy is young and has talent. He represents the future. The grumpy lecturer, who clearly does not understand what it takes to be a good teacher, is a menace to the well-being of the society. It is the responsibility of the society to protect kids like Pranav.
If he was a student in the state of Kerala; students unions would have come out in large numbers to protest against the management's actions. The student had complained to the director - and no action was taken. There should have been an academic council which took evidence from students and other teachers and taken appropriate action.
BITS is just big business. It is also a sad truth that there are too many people with anal-retentive mind-set who just don't understand what BIG MONEY can do to a servcie like education.
Schools must be student-oriented; definitely not teacher-oriented or money-oriented. One thing that has become clear is that BITS Dubai is teacher-oriented and money-oriented. The 100 Dhms fine is a classic example.
This is an Indian management run educational institution. Mind you, it is VERY EXPENSIVE in Indian currency to get through the four years of BITS in Dubai. Cost of living is very high for any Indian student. Most of these students are from India, paying a hefty fees to be here -- just cause BITS has a high reputation and that the students can afford the high expense to be in Dubai.
It is not that BITS has opened a branch in Knowledge Village for Arab and Expatriate students. Nope, this is purely business for them.
In India, BITS management wouldn't have gotten away with what they have done with regard to the boy who blogged out of sheer frustration, or the students who are being supportive. The students have a genuine complaint and the management just doesn't care.
If anyone thought this problem will die with a few suspensions in Dubai, let me tell you all in India we deal with this sort of a problem in a different manner. It is a country for the people, by the people and of the people; it definitely is not a country that exists for big companies like BITS.
The great freedom fighters like Mahatma Gandhi and Subash Chandra Bose were brave enough to raise their voice against the colonial injustice. That's the heritage of my country, and that's what exactly what separates us from other states in the sub-continent.
The educated youngsters in India refuse to be subservient to any system. Pranav has been denied justice by a director who didn't take the necessary steps to protect the student's future.
In the first world, no lecturer would dare to torment a student and harass him/her emotionally. In India, there are students association and unions which will take up the issue. BITS is making use of the excessive freedom they enjoy in a city like Dubai, where these foreign companies operating the so-called universities in these free zones do not necessarily come under the hammer of the Govt of Dubai/UAE.
The case is genuine. A student has been mentally harassed by a lecturer. The student complains to the Director. No action is taken. The boy writes in his blog about it to vent out his frustration. He gets punished (suspended), when the original crime of mental harassment goes unpunished.
Today is only a case of 'mental harassment', tomorrow it could very well become a case of sexual harassment. How would BITS director deal with it? What guarantees are in place that the local authorities will take some action about it?
One thing that needs to be done is students from India should never come to Dubai to pursue education. India has a far better education system. Pranav's only mistake is that he joined a mediocre institution in an extremely commercial and mediocre setting.
Education is not a business enterprise. It should never be.
Secret Dubai: Big thanks for blogging on this.
DG: You will never understand Pranav or why he reacted and responded like that. It is not your fault; just that you have been brought up in a feudal system and have been made to believe that is the best for all.
We in India got rid of the feudal system a long time back. That's what land reforms; democracy and people's right was all about. People demanded and got respect -- equality is the essence of real democracy.
Pranav is a product of that new India, which believes in equality and justice to all.
In India, we just don't believe that the society functions best when there is a hierarchy. We hate the idea of any hegemony wielding so much of power.
UAE society works on a different system and a different level. We respect it for what it is.
But, we, Indians – that too the new generation are empowered and we feel the need to demand justice when the system fails us.
There are some anal-retentive thinking people in India who wants to go back to the days of feudalism – when a select few enjoyed a great deal of power. Sorry pal, we just don't intend to go back to those times.
If someone has a great deal of power through majority in a democracy or through a certain official position, that power should never be allowed to destroy even one citizen’s rights to justice.
If you have any difficulty in understanding what I am talking about, please read what Nobel Prize winning economist Amartya Sen has written about Indian society’s democratic guarantee to its citizens.
“This is, of course, essential for the survival and prosperity of a country as remarkably varied as India, which is home not only to a Hindu majority, but to the world's third largest Muslim population, to millions of Christians and Buddhists, and to most of the world's Sikhs, Parsees, and Jains.”
DG and Keefieboy, with all respect due to your thoughts, you should try to understand India and its people. You must also learn to respect our way of life – which is the Indian way of life – where equality is the very essence of life.
What is respect?
The fear of authority is not respect. The subservient nature/attitude some people show to elders, parents, teachers etc is not respect.
When a dog wags its tail, it is not respect. When the foot-soldier shakes in his boots at the commanders shouting is not respect.
Real respect is very well connected to self-respect. Now that is a very strong statement, isn’t it?
Respect is a feeling two equals share. True respect can only be felt when equality is guaranteed. You respect an opponent in a game of chess or any sport you play. It is the same respect, which is the real respect. It is the ability to accept that the person is as equal as you.
I am sad to say this; teachers who abuse students by wielding so much of unbridled power have no self-respect at all.
Dani: we in India are urged to speak up, especially to speak the truth -- even if it is bitter and painful. There is nothing politically incorrect about 'truth' which God wants us to speak all the time.
I do intend to write to the BITS management in India about this issue. I am sure there will be political and social pressure on BITS to correct this sin they have committed against the constitutional right of every Indian citizen.
Even though BITS is operating an offshore operation in Dubai, enjoying the taxfree system... BITS, like any other social institution (we do consider schools and colleges to be socially responsible) will be held accountable for harassing a student.
This boy Pranav is bold and brave. What if he was a soft and sensitive student - and what if he tried to commit suicide? A few years ago, a malayalee student doing research in Chemistry in Hyderabad was found dead in the lab. He was an extremely brilliant student - who was so completely demoralised by the machinations of his guide (Prof) that he took some cyanide.
Boys like Pranav are growing kids. They are good enough to be studying Chemical Engineering, if he was a moron he wouldn't have made it through the BITS screening. To treat a student like Pranav (that too a BITS student!) like a criminal - first by a completely incompetent teacher, and then by the management is highly unacceptable from the point of view of an ordinary Indian citizen. Mark me DG: Pranav is not a criminal who deserves punishment.
Keefieboy: We don't need an artificial truce of deleting blog entries blah blah. This is not about a negotiated settlement. Equality is non-negotiable.
The teacher and the system failed a student. Which by all means is a sin and a crime towards education itself.
Who should apologise?
The boy wrote it in a blog using extremely strong language. What we need to ask is what made a young engineering student do this?
I am relieved that Pranav made use of a blog to express his anger, sadness and the helpless feeling.
Ask yourself what if the boy took to drugs or even killed himself? These are young minds which need to be protected and nourished. We shouldn't condemn the young minds. Again, I am talking about all this from an Indian context.
DG: You will never understand Pranav or why he reacted and responded like that. It is not your fault; just that you have been brought up in a feudal system and have been made to believe that is the best for all.
We in India got rid of the feudal system a long time back. That's what land reforms; democracy and people's right was all about. People demanded and got respect -- equality is the essence of real democracy.
Pranav is a product of that new India, which believes in equality and justice to all.
In India, we just don't believe that the society functions best when there is a hierarchy. We hate the idea of any hegemony wielding so much of power.
UAE society works on a different system and a different level. We respect it for what it is.
But, we, Indians – that too the new generation are empowered and we feel the need to demand justice when the system fails us.
There are some anal-retentive thinking people in India who wants to go back to the days of feudalism – when a select few enjoyed a great deal of power. Sorry pal, we just don't intend to go back to those times.
If someone has a great deal of power through majority in a democracy or through a certain official position, that power should never be allowed to destroy even one citizen’s rights to justice.
If you have any difficulty in understanding what I am talking about, please read what Nobel Prize winning economist Amartya Sen has written about Indian society’s democratic guarantee to its citizens.
“This is, of course, essential for the survival and prosperity of a country as remarkably varied as India, which is home not only to a Hindu majority, but to the world's third largest Muslim population, to millions of Christians and Buddhists, and to most of the world's Sikhs, Parsees, and Jains.”
DG and Keefieboy, with all respect due to your thoughts, you should try to understand India and its people. You must also learn to respect our way of life – which is the Indian way of life – where equality is the very essence of life.
What is respect?
The fear of authority is not respect. The subservient nature/attitude some people show to elders, parents, teachers etc is not respect.
When a dog wags its tail, it is not respect. When the foot-soldier shakes in his boots at the commanders shouting is not respect.
Real respect is very well connected to self-respect. Now that is a very strong statement, isn’t it?
Respect is a feeling two equals share. True respect can only be felt when equality is guaranteed. You respect an opponent in a game of chess or any sport you play. It is the same respect, which is the real respect. It is the ability to accept that the person is as equal as you.
I am sad to say this; teachers who abuse students by wielding so much of unbridled power have no self-respect at all.
I have a great deal of anger and frustration.
Pen is mightier than the sword. Blogging is proving it to us every single day. May it be about exposing the BIG FAT LIE we were told by the American government about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq OR what bloggers contributed when the world was hit by a dreadful Tsunami.
Words are powerful; Very Powerful. BITS are going to learn the lesson that in a democracy like India, no institution is bigger than the people itself.
BITS stands discredited today. Maybe their name tarnished forever.
Thanks to the 7days and the many bloggers -- India has now heard about the farcical face of BITS.
We all thought BITS came to Dubai to extend the high level of education to this part of the world. We, Indians, are ashamed that BITS have let the whole country down - so badly.
Hello DG
So, what mistake did Pranav make?
Why should he apologise for his teacher's pig-headed attitude?
Any day, I would rather have an Abraham Lincoln or a Nelson Mandela and their democratic values.
People living in non-democratic societies shouldn't make a mockery of democratic societies.
Why is Middle East embracing democracy if the current system is so much better?
You do owe the world an answer.
It seems a few of our friends are in a hurry to make judgments. It has been assumed that Pranav has committed a mistake by speaking out against the injustice dished out by the management.
It is the prejudices of people like DG that helps reinforce a corrupt educational system.
Whether BITS is in Bahamas or in Dubai, the parent company is registered in India. The legal jurisdiction that will apply on BITS also is Indian.
Thanks DG for letting me this is not in Kerala and this is UAE. Are you trying to tell me that some people in the UAE are more equal than others (Thanks Orwell, for your wisdom).
sasha:
BITS is just big business. It is also a sad truth that there are too many people with anal-retentive mind-set who just don't understand what BIG MONEY can do to a servcie like education.
This is not only the problem with BITS. It's an issue relevant with the education system here.
Secondly, I understand your support for Pranav. But there are two issues here: one, blogging and two, the content.
Blogging isn't wrong. Voicing your opinion isn't wrong. But (like Keefieboy said) slanderous comments are wrong. India might promote freedom of speech and all that but that doesn't encompass rude language. He could have been more discreet. I don't justify his suspension but you cannot completely ignore that a part of his act was wrong too.
This story is now on the Great Indian Mutiny blog (www.mutiny.in). It would be interesting to watch how student bodies and managements in India react to this move.
Worst form of Human Rights violation is Poverty. The violence of poverty is not something as telegenic as the planes slamming into the twin-towers.
The violence of slavery and subjugation is also not too loud. The violence that rocks the mind of a child who has been sexually abused is also not too spectacular to be captured on television.
The violence, BITS has created in the young minds is not something civilised societies should accept.
Than trying to find out the root cause of the problem, everyone wants to administer a cosmetic surgery by admonishing Pranav. How convenient and lame!
If the system is corrupt to the bone, and if the teenager has been choked by an instituion of violence, then the voice of dissent of a teenager need not be a mature or responsible one.
Stop for a second, get out of your comfort zone, and think about a boy who has been wound up emotionally by a teacher and an institution for more than two semesters.
The teacher has a responsibility of taking care of his wards. Not to hand out punishment as and when he pleases.
I can understand if Pranav was a spoiled brat who was using abusive language against every teacher.
This dude comes across as someone intelligent. Moreover, he has found immense support from his college mates too.
Imagine the amount of violence the institution has driven into his mind, that a bright engineering student has resorted to such harsh language.
There is a matter of trust in a student teacher relationship. If the teacher breaks it, he cannot claim any moral highground - and complain that the student used slanderous language.
It is not slanderous, Pranav's language is a harsh response to an absolutely evil system of education.
If something is rotten it is the institution.
India might promote freedom of speech and all that but that doesn't encompass rude language.
You will need to explain the "all that"
Freedom and equality are the very foundation on which democracy is built.
To expect acts and voices of dissent to be 'reasonable' and 'agreeable' to all -- is an absolutely stupid notion.
Get real. Again, I suggest you read Amartya Sen.
Part of being a man (or a woman) is accepting the consequences for one's actions. Judging from the blog, the student in question obviously knew the pattern the school had and should have been able to quickly anticipate the possible response. In fact, I would have though the response would have been an expulsion.
It seems that sasha and company think they are in India. I got news for you, you are not. This is the UAE, last I checked.
As others have also pointed out, _all_ private educational institutes face the problem of having to be profitable while offering a real education. The balance is not an easy one.
Like keefieboy pointed out, there is a very clear structure, schools are not a democracy. You go to learn and you paid money for it. Perhaps the problem is that when your parents foot the bill, you don't appreciate how you are spending tihs money.
i am en ex-student of bits.and beleive me i am still afraid to disclose my identity,for the fear that they can still spoil my future!
i feel that what the boy has written is absolutely true,but singling out people with their real names and using abusive language against them is not the solution for any problem, let alone his problem.there are incompetent teachers everywhere,incompetency exist in all spheres of life,and you gotta treat it with intelligence,make the best use of the system for urself.BITS too has some incompetent teachers,heck i even know of a teacher who used to give free marks to every student,even people who wrote blank papers,and he was discarded after an year.
DG: I dont beleive every1 deserves respect,but then, they dont deserve disrespect too!
Sasha: India and DUBAI are like chalk and cheese,and therefore your feelings are irrelevant here,its as simple as that. there is no students unity here,people only support things that benefit them directly.I agree with the fact that the student was driven to the core by the system.but still,he should have been wise enough to be discreet,and should have avoided using any names.i know you agree with me on that!
Finally, all I can say is even though the system is corrupt and blah blah, there is no solution to it, other than student unity. And that my friend, is not present here!Sadly!
Actually, BITS was being very silly. By his own admission, Pranav was disruptive in class. They could simply have suspended him for that instead of reacting to his rather childish blogs. Disrupting others' learning is an expulsion offence, after all. BITS' reacting to the blog and then warning the other students not to blog is only egging them on. It's also stifling a freedom, which no educational institute should do.
Ever since there have been schools, there have been students who have had gripes against them. Frankly, if this young man does not like the education he's paying for, then he should go and buy himself an education that better meets his needs. He has the right to do that.
He also has the right to express his opinions, provided he slanders no one. But he has the responsibility to learn that all actions have consequences, and if he wishes to act, he needs to be prepared to accept those consequences.
sasha:
What comfort zone are you talking about, precisely? What makes you think I am talking from a comfort zone? Just so you know, I am an Indian and I have studied in the Indian education system during school - it's all the same. Nothing changes and it's only when I got out of that school, did I discover critical thinking and people's skills. Now, I'm not generalizing that all Indian schools are backward BUT...most are.
The issue with BITS is not new. It's a problem within the education system and if you or Pranav wanted to point that, it could be done in a more mature or sensible way. You cannot jusitfy insulting ANY instructor (or any other person) in public.
The violence that rocks the mind of a child who has been sexually abused is also not too spectacular to be captured on television.
The violence, BITS has created in the young minds is not something civilised societies should accept.
Seriously, take a chill pill. A rape is not equivalent to suspending a student caught passing slanderous comment on a blog.
Imagine the amount of violence the institution has driven into his mind, that a bright engineering student has resorted to such harsh language.
Now how can you say that? Just because someone is 'bright', does it mean he/she can't use 'harsh language'. It's more to do with upbringing.
To expect acts and voices of dissent to be 'reasonable' and 'agreeable' to all -- is an absolutely stupid notion.
Nobody is agreeing/justifying/praising BITS. All that I'm saying is that, BITS is at fault but the student is to be blamed too. Why don't you get real for a change and do something more substantial to implement 'freedom of speech' and 'respect' and all those things that come democracy, like you mentioned.
To Pranav,
As a student who pays a lot of money to be educated in the UAE, I know the frustration of not being able to do much to fight for your right, which is the right to something you paid for.
Clearly you went through the right channels i.e. the Director of the establishment. Only after being ignored several times have you decided to voice your thoughts through a blog.
I think it's a brave thing to do - specially since it meant you would be singled out and be put through further misery. It is unfortunate that the above people feel that just because you are in the UAE you have to pay the money and eat the shit that is served.
I hope you are successful in getting rid of the morons that infest your college. I also hope that BITS Pillani, one of the top colleges in India, shakes up the outfit in Dubai. It just seems they are here to make money.
This isn't the middle ages where students need to put up with any kind of hierarchy and should be forced to respect lecturers who degrade them. The students aren't children... they are 18+ and are adults by law. And if anyone feels they are young then young minds need to be cared for not abused.
If lecturers can call students names and morally degrade them then there is no wrong done when Pranav took to blogging and returned the abuse. You don't earn respect by demeaning and stamping other people younger or smaller or lesser than yourself.
And to bloggers who fail to understand the plight of students. Imagine yourself going to one of the biggest stores in the UAE. Stores that promise quality and service with their products. Imagine you purchase a product worth even AED50 and you realise the product is faulty and there is no way you can exchange or refund the product because of the silly bureaucratic system the store has.
As if that is not enough the give you a good dose of abuse when you are persistent. What would you do? Naturally - write to the papers, blog about them, spread the news by word-of-mouth. I hope it is better understood why Pranav is entitled to his choice of words.
What goes around comes around... go Pranav go.
DG and Keefieboy I agree with you with what you say. But the thing is you will really say the opposite after you study in BITS. I was through it and its hell.
They make your parents pay for a problem that is not yours. Genuine medical reasons and disability is overlooked. Students still have to pay the “less that 80%” fines which can go as high as 2000 dhrs per semester even when they are suffering from chronic illness.
You cannot have a flexible course/ open interaction with the faculty if you are going through a problem. They stick it on the higher-ups.
The faculty themselves are very frustrated with the load and disrespect from the admin.
We students have experienced faculty being treated really disrespectfully by the ‘admin’.
It can be very interesting that the admin does not listen at all. DG I support your idea of respect to teachers since my family members are teachers too. But being inhuman is inexcusable!
I have gone through a lot already and cannot take it anymore; like to see them in court some day.
There are still people who will excuse these rascals.
The Public must note the following:
Fine Structure of BITS:
Attendence 70-80% Dhs 100/subject
60-70% Dhs 200/subject
50-60% Dhs 300/subject
Dress Code in bits: Girls must cover knees,boys must wear full pants,no sleevless shirts.
Dog called DJ in bits acts as a fundamentalist all the time.
So do u still think the boy is at fault??
Clearly, you have a lot more issues (with BITS) that need to be dealt with. Posting them here won't do much. Every student has issues and I'm sure those dress codes and other rules were highlighted in the Student Handbook. So you knew what you were getting into.
OHMYGOD guys get the name right! DG, no one was calling you a dog, it was a boy who complained to DJ (he is one of the college professors)
And man talk to the ppl first and then comment about it. Your position on respect is absolutely correct. But treating us like convicts and inmates is just plain crazy! Ive been thru a lot!!
Wonderful to read from BITians about the struggles of a Blogbuffoon. You paid for a seat which wouldn't have been possible had you been studying back in that regressive country you often cling on to when you need to make sweeping statements on liberty and bullshit.
Remember that when you buy top class seats, you have to get through shit served in every possible form. If your parents had the brains to understand why your college is perennially 'starved' of cash, they would've never bought you a seat here in the first place. Honestly, take a good look at your college. Is that what you call a campus?
Its good to hear that he got expelled, and that he will be found back with you guys after he pays whatever he has to. I think thats the part where you people get so sympathetic. How about you people pitch in and help your verbal Rambo pay those fines?
And Sasha....sad that you people don't have unions here. It would make it a lot more difficult to survive on that 'campus' for more than 4 years. Maybe you can learn something from that buffoon and extend your stay.
Wonderful to read from BITians about the struggles of a Blogbuffoon. You paid for a seat which wouldn't have been possible had you been studying back in that regressive country you often cling on to when you need to make sweeping statements on liberty and bullshit.
Remember that when you buy top class seats, you have to get through shit served in every possible form. If your parents had the brains to understand why your college is perennially 'starved' of cash, they would've never bought you a seat here in the first place. Honestly, take a good look at your college. Is that what you call a campus?
Its good to hear that he got expelled, and that he will be found back with you guys after he pays whatever he has to. I think thats the part where you people get so sympathetic. How about you people pitch in and help your verbal Rambo pay those fines?
And Sasha....sad that you people don't have unions here. It would make it a lot more difficult to survive on that 'campus' for more than 4 years. Maybe you can learn something from that buffoon and extend your stay.
LOL @ 'verbal Rambo'
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